Sanity is madness put to good use. – George Santayana
Portrait by Ansel Adams, 1943
My mother told me to never talk about religion or politics in public. She said it is impolite, but I have to speak up. The woman in this picture is Nurse Aiko Hamaguchi. Look at her closely. Nurse Hamaguchi is the face of racial profiling.
Nurse Hamaguchi was born in Long Beach, California, and lived in Los Angeles and Redondo Beach. She completed two years at Los Angeles City College majoring in pre-nursing. She then completed her nursing education at Los Angeles General Hospital. Her ambition was to become a public health nurse. She told Ansel Adams, the famous photographer who took her picture, that she was interested in human beings. She enjoyed bridge, tennis, horseback riding, and reading. Then, shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941, Japanese Americans were uprooted from their homes and sent from Los Angeles to Manzanar relocation center in northeastern California. Adams met Nurse Hamaguchi at Manzanor. She told him, “Only after evacuation have I come to realize the false sense of security I enjoyed prior to the war.” Eventually, thousands of Japanese Americans were forced into ten relocation centers in Califonia, Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, and Arkansas.
Fast forward to the 21st Century. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) announced to the Senate Armed Services Committee that he believes in racial and ethnic profiling. He’s not alone. A new Gallup World Religion Survey found that Muslims face more bias in the United States compared to other religions. According to the survey, Americans are more than twice as likely to express prejudice against Muslims than they are against Christians, Jews or Buddhists, and nearly two-thirds of Americans say they have little or no knowledge of Islam. Still, just like Sen. Inhofe, a majority of Americans dislike the Muslim faith. I understand why this is happening, but racial and ethnic profiling is morally wrong. It hurts innocent people, and it won’t keep us safe. U.S. Muslims who feel alienated are more vulnerable to radical ideas.
Nurse Hamaguchi was viewed as a potential terrorist in 1943. Look at her again. Her ghost haunts us. I hope our country can learn the lessons from the past.
SimSim
January 25th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
If, just for argument, you ignored the unethical nature of racial profiling, it is still a crappy system. If you racially profile a group of people, it leaves open unknown numbers of slightly different people to skate through security because they don’t look the part. And some of those people will be just as bad as those that have cause us to profile in the first place.
Cathy Lane RPh
January 25th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Thanks, Nurse Ratched. A very sensitive subject for me and my own.
Just as I find it hard to believe my ears in the increasingly common occurences of ‘in the broad daylight’ happenings (e.g. no limits on election campaign funding as ruled by highest court in land ), it is nearly beyond belief that people that give the appearance of a functioning brain will espouse the opinion that any adherents of Islamism are anarchists (nearly 20% of the world population professes a belief in killing others not believing in their religion???). This is irrational; ‘crazy’, as far as I’m concerned. Yet, these people prattle on and on dehumanizing those whose appearance seems to be unlike anyone ‘they’ personally know. What kind of psychological phenomenon are we observing?
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Saifullah
January 26th, 2010 at 12:36 am
I stumbled upon this entry while looking up information about a bill I’ve heard about.
I’m glad (for once) that google often spits out unrelated articles in research.
As an American convert to Islam it is shocking to me how much has changed in this country during my lifetime.
When I was a child, the term “terrorist” was usually associated with guerrilla groups and I personally had it associated with Irish (IRA) thanks to the news. Then through the 1980s “the black scare” came back to see us again from the 1950s as media seemed hell-bent on making a racial divide. Slowly through the 1990s the multicultural identity of America finally emerged and everyone was fine for a while.
Sure, while in University there were the occasional nutjobs and whackos shouting racist or political agendas but on the whole it finally felt safe to be in America for most people.
Then 9/11/2001.
Whatever you believe about the events of that day and what preceeded them, it changed America.
Far too much.
Knee-jerk reactions and spastic attitudes allowed a few people to decide the destiny of many.
Media and politicians alike began painting the Muslim Scare into the minds of the people.
Now, although I am caucasian, I suddenly get nailed for “random security checks” because in 2003 I performed Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca) and therefore entered Saudi Arabia along with roughly 2.3 million other people for the same purpose.
In 2005 I joined the humanitarian effort after Hurricane Katrina with a Muslim charitable and humanitarian aid organization (one that has never even been accused of any wrongdoing). That got me on a very special list which bars me from entering certain jobs for life since I will never pass the security clearance.
This is all thanks to Bush Administration and their criteria for listing people as a “person of interest” with regard to terrorist activities.
Become devoutly religious and perform acts of charity and you are labeled as a potential terrorist.
Sad days.
Since 2007 I am living outside of the USA. I no longer feel safe in the country I was born in.
I have been assaulted, harassed and treated with extreme prejudice and violence because of my religion..
This is not the America that my grandfather fought and bled on the beaches of Iwo Jima for.
Now I have a daughter due in May. I pray that by the time she is school age that I can return to the USA and it will be the multicultural society that it was always intended to be.
Thank you for reminding people of the sins of our fathers so that we may learn from them and advance as a society.
Pattie, RN
January 26th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
I am sorry, but what I read in this article and especially the comment above me is extremely poor reasoning skills and errors of logic. It is true that all Muslims are not terrorists, but it is also true that all terrorists of late have been Muslim. (Remember the old rules of logic…not all dogs are Poodles, but all Poodles ARE dogs.) TSA especially wastes time on elderly Jewish women in wheelchairs to avoid the mere APPEARANCE of profiling, while Islamic terrorists on no-fly lists sail through customs and boarding. Does that make a LICK of sense to you??
There are times and occaisons when a profile makes perfect sense…how often do you suppose the police ignore all females if they are searching an area for a rape suspect? If you were lost in a foreign country, would you seek help from someone in a uniform or the dirty, bearded guy in the gutter talking to himself? Do you think that someone driving a work van around an elementary school for hours might draw suspicion?? Well guess what, all of the above are sterotypes or “profiles”, and they exist for a REASON!
The facts remain that all recent bombings and attacks on the US and UK have been from Islamic males between their late teens and early sixties. Calling up the ghosts of WWII doesn’t change reality….nor does your post acknowledge that the Japanese internment, however unfair, did in fact STOP some spying and domestic terrorism.
Cathy Lane RPh
January 26th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Pattie RN:
I think the intent of this post was to avoid basing prejudicial actions on facial appearance, i.e. little old Jewish ladies in wheelchairs. If there are criteria for Homeland airport security officials, they ‘profiling’ should be reasonable, and filed in a rationally obtained database that includes such factors as a person arriving to an airport with a one-way ticket paid for by cash, financial resources listed in a bank in a certain country, recent history of certain kinds of cell-phone contacts, etc.
Any kind of ‘gate-keeper’ role done at points of entry into the country should preserve individual liberties of all citizens, and to consider ethnicity by facial appearance or country of ancestry must be first of all be significantly worthwhile in attempting to elicit whatever is necessary, to ensure logical reasonable cause to believe a significant of the segment of society singled out would be expected to commit the crime for which the profiling is meant to deter, and furthermore make sure that what is required to carry out a program would be worth the expense.
Because of US law, Japanese citizens were refused to come to the US until very recently in our nation’s history, as well as to intermarry. So, the Japanese that had come to the US were only very recent immigrants, therefore this is clearly a small identifiable segment of the population based on immigration papers. Second, the US propaganda machine (easy to organize a war drive if the ‘target’ has a certain appearance, eh?) as well as ‘big business’ (e.g. big business, movie producers, William Randolph, etc.) had a disproportianate interest in driving the Japanese-Americans from their own homes along the coast, namely because of an ‘ethnic ethic’ of these immigrants with their hard work, determination self-sustenance, agrarian and other ‘cultural’ traditions. As short-time owners of the vineyards, and business ventures, many if not most Japanese-Americans were given 48 hrs to leave with what they could carry on their backs, a more modern similarity to the ‘Trail of Tears’. After the war, their possessions were not returned to them, as the previous rightful owner, furthermore they were denied the right to protest their intenment.
And, what was the benefit to our nation of Japanese-American intenment, to what avail? How many persons of Japanese ancestry were spies or aided in Japan’s effort to ensure their own domestic oil supply that had been forcibly taken by the English, Dutch, and Americans? Was one life saved by shipping all those people to interior work-camps? I don’t know if you’ve ever lived in Wyoming, but jail life in a makeshift building during winter and summer with inadequate supplies for families was an indignity that one should hope no one suffers just because of how one looks or whether they’re a recent immigrant.
Racial profiling as posted by Nurse Ratched by sequestering all members of a certain ethnic group based on appearance, last name, can speak, read, or understand a certain language bespeaks to unethical and inhumane treatment of fellow humans. Even, Pres. Reagan, a long-time California non-Jewish resident who might have understood the depth of impact on coastal citizens apologized to those of Japanese-American ancestry nearly 40 years after the war.
Diversity training in healthcare institutions was very popular ten years ago, so I would suggest that Pattie RN and all that might have access to the old training manuals dust them off, and read them alongside their New Testaments.
mrs. ott
January 26th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
I especially liked what you said at the end: “Muslims who feel alienated are more vulnerable to radical ideas.” The irony. You are absolutely correct: our ignorance, our categorizing of people will not keep us safe. imagine if we were to profile against all married peoples, or all californians, or all, or all… We just opened a muslim- Halal here in Anchorage (http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/anchorage/story/1099238.html). It just made me glow to think of the diversity here and hope to God it builds character and wisdom in this community.
Pattie, RN
January 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Cathy L…considering that 35 years ago I was a token female Equal Opportunity Officer in the military and up to my axilla in “Diversity Training”…as the AUTHOR, I think we can lay to rest my “phobias”. As the daughter of an intelligence officer who grew up on four continents, I would cheerfully line up my “propers” with any and all…and suggest that we cease being morons in our attempts to be “fair”, “diverse”, and “sensitve”. Some groups hate Western cultrure, and pretending that it is not so is like believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy….soothing but irrational and lacking maturity. Oh, and did I mention that my DH of 30 years was born in Sasebo, Japan? It is SO much easier to demonize than think, isn’t it?
Saifullah
January 27th, 2010 at 12:01 am
The core problem, Pattie, is that if we were to propel the logic of profiling forward then it would be legitimate and reasonable to tag and track all middle-class Protestant Christian Caucasians in the USA since an overwhelming majority of serial killers fit this basic profile.
The fact is that profiling wherein an entire group of people are lumped into a single category the profiling system does much more harm than good, those who are profiled against often rebel against the system and lash out in violent or at least non-constructive ways.
Through targeted profiling, however, the TSA (and other acronyms) can effectively target potential threats and keep close tabs on them.
Unfortunately for the approximately 11.2 million Muslim-Americans the profiling currently in place is not refined well at all.
If it was then the same 8 year old child would not have been forced to go through dozens of “random checks” over the course of his life simply because he was born Palestinian. Do you have any idea how traumatic an intensive search can be to a small child?
Cathy Lane RPh
January 27th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Patti, RN:
I think you’re absolutely right on at least one count–it’s so d… easy to demonize than spend a little extra time thinking… of consequences, of professionalism and impact of careless utterances of misguidedness, and no, you did not mention Sasebo, before, and presumably that is because it is not of a major significance in where your heart lies.
Post-war life as a Japanese American was not easy here in the US for entirely different but related reasons than those children of US Naval liaisons. The one Japanese-American nurse I worked with for a brief time here in the mid-eastern US cornfields was the daughter of an American father stationed at Sasebo, and a significant cause of residual discriminatory social pressures for a conflicted life resulting in several suicide attempts.
I do know where Sasebo is located, and I do know that Nagasaki was consider Ground Zero. but that is not the initial point of a discussion of ethnic profiling. Although, several hundred years from now, if our species still exists, some of the understanding of how one cultural society can drop a nuclear bomb on other members of the same species will be realized with analysis of impact of governmental propaganda campaigns, and the role of ethnic profiling in demonization (dehumanization) of another people.
And there probably is no need to mention my own DH of 30+ years whose birth remained unrecorded in Tokyo’s City Hall for months after the massive carpet bombings. (Presumably ‘DH’ stands for dear, husband’…).
I mentioned specifically, this is a sensitive topic for me. I do know first hand effects of demonization on those demonized as well as the demoralization of the demonizers.
Need I mention the almost immediate legal proceeding fall-out that took place on somewhat of a different scale by those medical professionals in my town whose middle-eastern heritage was not generally known, or moved here after quickly changing their surnames, or finding need for cosmetic surgery? To protect themselves, their families, and their childrens’ futures from the effects of racial profiling?
Maybe, we’d better return to the actual point I was attempting to make…that any kind of profiling based on logic as well as reasonable grounds might be a ‘better’ investment for society than detaining little old Jewish ladies in wheelchairs?
Linda
January 27th, 2010 at 1:07 am
Cathy – did you ever hear of the pharmacists who claimed all pharmacists are “whiners”. Yep – you’re one of them!
(As an aside – nobody is grandfathered into a doctoral degree, you must earn it. Even blondes can earn it!)
My mother went to nursing school in the 40′s with 2 Janpanese-American women who were sent to a relocation center. They went willingly – to be safe! They continued their nursing while there & returned to complete their BSNs.
They both have participated in the reunions, one of which I was pleased to be a part of. I met them both and observed interactions between them and their colleagues. There was a lot of reminscing of old times and they shared stories of their time away and their collective time spent during WWII since they were young women at the time.
One woman has since passed away, but many of her nursing school colleagues were at her funeral.
Historically, stressful and uncertain times have called for unusual measures. Throwing blame and guilt are no cures for the uncertainty of the right now.
Perhaps Saifullah and others can provide the education we may need to find security and certainty again. The uncertainty of right now is not made whole by the hindsight of the occurences of WWII.
There were so many factors which may have made that outcome different! Each country chooses to make decisions based on what is right at the time. The fact you chose to invoke Regan is odd – he spent his WWII years making propaganda films for the US!
I think Mother Jones’ mother had it right – it is in poor form to speak of religion or politics. Everyone has an opinion – just like *sses!
Pattie, RN
January 27th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Saifullah, if peaceful Muslims would rebuke and disown the murderers, perhaps a broad brush approach to your faith system would soon fall out of favor. If this is happening, it is not making the news anywhere around where I live.
And surely you realize that you are stuck in a tautological argument. Those that are profiled “lash out” ??? How about the the concept that this “lashing out”—killing large groups of innocent people— caused the profiling in the first place?? Or are you suggesting that young Islamic males are NOT responsible for international terror attacks on innocents.
If plump Irish-American nurses were publically calling for the death of every NBA player in this country, I would not be surprised to be frisked before a Pistons game.
Tinsle
January 27th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
terrorist events that w/o muslim influence in 2009 plus domestic terrorist events for last 10 years involving school shootings
FEB 3th: USA Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way. There are reports that he received serious injuries to his abdomen and face, but no internal trauma was reported. No one else was wounded in the blast
March 7th UK Two unarmed soldiers of the 38 Engineer Regiment were shot dead outside Massereene Barracks. Two other soldiers and two civilian delivery men were also shot and wounded during the attack. An Irish republican paramilitary group, the Real IRA, issued a statement claiming responsibility
March 9th UK PSNI officer Stephen Paul Carroll was shot dead by a sniper in Craigavon, County Armagh. This was the first killing of a police officer in Northern Ireland since 1998.[80] The Continuity IRA claimed responsibility for the shooting.
May 9th USA George Tiller killed by gunman while attending church service by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder.
List of school shootings for the last 10 years:
Buell Elementary School shooting Mount Morris Township, Michigan, United States February 29 2000 1
Lake Worth Middle School shooting Lake Worth, Florida, United States May 26 2000 1
University of Arkansas shooting Fayetteville, Arkansas, United States August 28 2000 2
Santana High School shooting Santee, California, United States March 5 2001 2
Granite Hills High School shooting El Cajon, California, United States March 22 2001 0
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School shooting Manhattan, New York, United States January 15 2002 0
Appalachian School of Law shooting Grundy, Virginia, United States January 16 2002 3
John McDonogh High School shooting New Orleans, Louisiana, United States April 14 2003 1
Red Lion Area Junior High School shootings Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States April 24 2003 2
Case Western Reserve University shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States May 9 2003 1
Rocori High School shooting Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States September 24 2003 2
Columbia High School shooting East Greenbush, New York, United States February 9 2004 0
Fairleigh Dickinson University shooting Florham Park, New Jersey, United States April 4 2004 2
Red Lake Senior High School massacre Red Lake, Minnesota, United States March 21 2005 8
Campbell County High School shooting Jacksboro, Tennessee, United States November 8 2005 1
Pine Middle School shooting Reno, Nevada, United States March 14 2006 0
Essex Elementary School shooting[12] Essex, Vermont, United States August 24 2006 2
Orange High School shooting Hillsborough, North Carolina, United States August 30 2006 1
Platte Canyon High School shooting Bailey, Colorado, United States September 27 2006 2
Weston High School shooting Cazenovia, Wisconsin, United States September 29 2006 1
Amish school shooting Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States October 2 2006 6
Henry Foss High School shooting Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3 2007 1
University of Washington shooting Seattle, Washington, United States April 2 2007 2
Virginia Tech massacre Blacksburg, Virginia, United States April 16 2007 33
Delaware State University shooting Dover, Delaware, United States September 21 2007 1
SuccessTech Academy shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States October 10 2007 1
Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States February 8 2008 3
Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee, United States February 11 2008 0
E.O. Green School shooting Oxnard, California, United States February 12 2008 1
Northern Illinois University massacre DeKalb, Illinois, United States February 14 2008 6
Davidson High School Shooting Mobile, Alabama, United States March 9 2008 1
Central High School shooting Knoxville, Tennessee, United States August 21 2008 1
Henry Ford High School shooting Detroit, Michigan, United States October 16 2008 1
2008 University of Central Arkansas shootings Conway, Arkansas, United States October 27 2008 Dillard High School shooting Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States November 12 2008
Henry Ford Community College shooting Dearborn, Michigan, United States April 10 2009
Harvard University Cambridge,Massachusetts, United States May 18 2009
Larose-Cut Off Middle School shooting Larose, Louisiana, United States May 18 2009
Skyline College shooting San Bruno, California, United States September 2 2009
Atlanta University Center Atlanta , Georgia, United States September 3 2009
Deer Valley High School shooting Antioch, California, United States September 16 2009
Cathy Lane RPh
January 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
With due apologies to Nurse Ratched for what may seem interminable responses:
The purpose of responding to the original blog opinion was to affirm personal nature of how discrimination (from whatever derivation) is damaging to those discriminated individuals, non-productive for the documented purpose in the long run–as I asserted by example of what happened to those appearing of Japanese ancestry during WWII, and relate its detrimental effects to society as a whole. We could discuss esoterical psychological effects as well as real numbers.
I chose to recall
a.) most Japanese-Americans in the US (> 75,000) Americans were shipped off to internment camps and forced to live under harsh conditions, with little or no notice; their legal and rightful property taken from them and not returned; the were allowed no redress nor national apology until > 40 years after the WWII bombing of Pearl Harbor (which incidentally resulted in nearly the same number of Americans killed on US soil as during the attack at Twin Towers), and
b.) Pres. Reagan as OUR president, finally helped with healing in a national disgrace by effecting the apology and token monetary remuneration more than 40 years after the war, and after many years of efforts at redress initiated by Pres. Carter. I can mention Pres. Reagan, after all despite my not voting for him, as he very familiar with internment situation of the Japanese-Americans on the West Coast, specifically California as the majority of Nisei had settled there and their lives impacted by prevailing national hysteria fanned by war-time propaganda machines.
Pres. Reagan as an actor no doubt was part of the ‘machine’ but he did not employ himself, and analogously to nazism in Germany, the party wouldn’t have gained such power without participation of all citizens traitorous to their own people. Although many neo-nazis don’t like to hear this opinion either about their complicity in the Holocaust, what can one say in their defense? That they didn’t personally drop cyanide pills in the death chambers?
The point of mentioning Holocaust victims is that it relates quite poignantly to the issue of racial profiling. Because, ‘profiled’ members of sequestered societies do not suffer at the hands of others with equal rights under the US Constitution without some measure of dehumanization or subjugation.
I daresay, Linda, the one point with a kernal of humanity mentioned is that perhaps a way to look at any benefit to the camp survivors is that there was so much national anxiety/hatred (which sometimes is interpreted similarly when I work with the mentally ill patients at my job), that just maybe some Japanese-American families had a better chance of surviving effects en masse of rampant racial discrimination by their deportation to far-away Heart Mountain, Tule Lake, Jerome, etc. living under isolated prison conditions. Is that truly how we want to look at our own civilized society, that under wartime conditions, those that are racially profiled should be protected from angry mobs by being sent far away, not necessarily a safe place, but far from the reaches of those ‘designated’ by the society as being part of a ‘racial profile’?
I don’t feel as if Pattie RN and Linda are responding to these points, and I daresay that an example of conversing with a classmate at a nursing school reunion, or marriage to a member of an occupying force is adequate knowledge to base an opinion of the effects of discrimination.
If there was some serious reply on reflection of observation of effects of discrimination on a friend or an occupying person that lived in the land of the occupied land impacted/affected the soul of a nurse, for this is Nurse Ratched’s column after all, then we could go on from this point.
Suggestions that members of those being discriminated against ‘teach’ others about their culture, ‘beg’ others to reconsider their choice as dispassionate onlooker, or that they somehow ‘deserve’ the discrimination, flies in the face of intelligence or even compassion, which is why I suggested that it may be a time for those without sensibility to study the New Testament. Most Christians do not believe Jesus incited the Pharisees to predictably want to hang him just to prove a point.
I am merely explaining that the issue of racially profiling based on facial appearance is unfair, unethical, and inexcusable in an enlightened society.
Saifullah
January 27th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
To be quite rude I am sick to death of hearing this argument:
“Saifullah, if peaceful Muslims would rebuke and disown the murderers, perhaps a broad brush approach to your faith system would soon fall out of favor. If this is happening, it is not making the news anywhere around where I live.”
WE DO! Constantly and consistently. A global Fatwa (Islamic Ruling of the interpretation of Islamic Law) was issued on the 12th of September 2001 to unilaterally condemn the terrorist acts and to illustrate why this sort of action is completely prohibited by Islamic law. It was co-drafted and signed by more than 100 Imams in leadership positions from various countries around the globe.
The complete text was presented to all media outlets as a press release.
Every time some whacko claiming to be Muslim goes and does something stupid, our communities speak out against it.
Is it our fault the media decides not to publicize it?
By the way, why aren’t other religions required to decry acts done in their names? Why do Christians and Buddhists get off scott free when their brethren are murdering people by the thousands in Sri Lanka?
An above poster listed many examples of non-Muslim terrorism and yet the members of their respective religious groups don’t find it necissary to make public statements against them.
Why are we Muslims expected to do this when no one else is?
Why is it when we do this, nobody wants to listen and then when something happens again we are demanded once again to rebuke it only to have it fall on deaf ears.
All we want is legal and social equality. Is that too much to ask?
Lisa
January 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
It does not seem reasonable to equate an extra half hour at security before a flight with years of internment and confiscation of property.
RehabRN
January 30th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Let’s implement a simple citizenship test.
1. Do you believe in the principles of the Pledge of Allegiance (you don’t have to swear…) and the Declaration of Independence?
2. Do you agree that if you choose to violate local, state or federal laws that you will submit to the consequences?
3. If you do not like said laws, will you willingly and peacefully lobby for change?
If you can answer yes to all three, come on down.
There are plenty of people waiting in line to get in. If you don’t or can’t abide, stay where you are.
There are plenty of rights here in the US, but also commensurate responsibilities.
Nurse K
January 30th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
This is totally silly, I’m sorry. No one is saying that we should round up all the Muslims and put them in camps. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t place a higher level of suspicion on some people and not others, however. This would be like screening everyone for Type II diabetes, but ignoring the fact that most people with Type II diabetes are obese and older. We only have so much $ for intelligence (and screenings for illness) to go around.
PS You might want to read about the Venona Project and the Cambridge Five…Oddly enough, being Communist was associated with spying for the Soviets and putting the lives of countless numbers of individuals at risk. This is more akin to placing a higher level of suspicion on Muslims for terrorism than Japanese internment camps.
kurtU
January 31st, 2010 at 9:01 am
There is no such thing as racial profiling. Properly done, profiling includes MANY different criteria and race/ethnicity can be ONE when the statistics indicate it is an important consideration. For example on the Christmas bomber. The profile for a terrorist includes certain race/ethnic considerations since certain race/ethnicities are over represented among the bombers. However, the Christmas terrorist should have been pulled from the flights because he ALso bought one-way tickets, did so for cash, did so at the airport, did not have luggage. I would argue that the induced confusion over “racial profiling” was a major contributor to his getting on the plane since we can’s offend people. The single criteria of race over ruled all the other parts of true profiling.
If these kinds of decisions are being made only on race/ethnic considerations, then it is racism on the part of the INDIVIDUAL. Not profiling
Saifullah
January 31st, 2010 at 9:48 pm
RehabRN said: “Let’s implement a simple citizenship test.”
That’s the problem with so much of the thought processes going on about Islam in America: the assumption that all Muslims are immigrants. According to multiple studies by Muslim and non-Muslim organizations, the majority of Muslims in America are native-born citizens. Many, like me, are converts to Islam. So do we have to be put to a citizenship test just because we changed religions?
NurseK said: “This is totally silly, I’m sorry. No one is saying that we should round up all the Muslims and put them in camps.”
Unfortunately you are wrong. Many have proposed Muslim concentration camps and the actions of the Bush administration nearly succeeded in doing so.
Let me ask you this, how would you feel about FBI agents sent through training to become (your religion) and then sent to go to your centers of worship and talk to others about militant activities and try to convince people to join them.
Far fetched? It’s happening in US Mosques now. It has been happening since before 9/11 and a few of them have been exposed (most famously in LA). Interestingly enough, almost all of these undercover agents have had the FBI and/or homeland security called on them by the Mosques.
WE are the first ones to report anyone talking about radical or militant activity because WE don’t want it!
This is OUR country too!
What is happening is modern-day McCartheyism against a religious group. Something that SHOULD BE completely unconstitutional.
tammy swofford
January 31st, 2010 at 10:58 pm
While not supporting racial profiling I do support profiling based on threat assessments. The threat is distinctly one of young adult Muslim males boarding our flights and killing our citizens. They are alienated not because of our culture, but because of their radical belief system. Root cause analysis, m’ dear.
Your example of Japanese Americans is a historical reality. It is not applicable to the reality we face today.
Tammy Swofford
Cathy Lane RPh
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:19 am
The applicability of the previous reality in the 40′s has not changed a whit from Nurse R’s example, as Lisa has succinctly (as well as Kurt U.) explained, (with disastrous effects on the individual (as Saifullah points out), and to the national psyche as the bottom line in Nurse R’s essay, a lot of what goes on nowadays is based on knee-jerk responses to a person’s appearance, last name, or speaking accent, very similarly to a national policy devised in the 40′s (based on US & European propaganda campaigns), as our society is not only facing a single national security threat by ‘young adult Muslim males’ as Tinsle’s list demonstrates!
Lawrence Fisher
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm
This is not all about race it is about ideologies. Many of my ancestors changed their name from Fischer to Fisher during WWI to distance themselves from their German roots. Germans were not well received.
Profiling by any attribute is inevitable.
I , for one, would ask that this silent majority of peaceful Islamics speak up and share this message of peace. Sadly, in the last 50 years, the violent minority seems to be the only one heard.
Saifullah
February 4th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Just do a simple google search “Muslims Against Terrorism” or “Fatwa against Terrorism”
Try looking instead of expecting people to come straight to you.
It isn’t our fault that our voices are silenced when we speak of peace, yet played loudly when they speak of death.
Lawrence Fisher
February 5th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
?Try looking instead of expecting people to come straight to you.” I seek understanding and not insults. This really isn’t about me. Silence implies understanding, agreement and support.
“I , for one, would ask that this silent majority of peaceful Islamics speak up and share this message of peace.” ‘ ‘ ‘ I am looking . . . I need to hear chants other than, “Death to America.”
The anniversary of the capture of the US Embassy is celebrated as a national holiday. This not a race issue, it is an issue of ideologies.
Saifullah
February 5th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Let me ask you a logical question:
Do you walk around all day long telling people that you pass on the street things like; “I disagree with rape” or “I don’t approve of child molestation” or even “Murderers are not my friends”??
Of course not! Because we live in a society that assumes that you aren’t into those things unless you commit those crimes.
Again I ask: Why are Muslims held to a different set of social standards than the rest of the world?
Why do we have to say that we don’t do things or don’t approve of things when nobody else has been given the same requirement?
Additionally; before you throw the “Because they do it in the name of Islam” argument. There are HUNDREDS of websites that you can find Fatwas (religious declarations from Islamic scholars) citing that terrorist activities are unilaterally against the teachings of Islam.
Why isn’t that enough?
I would post them here but the last time I attempted to paste URLs the post was eaten.. must be some kind of block.
Just google the terms I cited above and you’ll see them.
I’m not trying to be insulting and I do apologize if you have been insulted but it’s to the point of insanity that people constantly come to me and shout at me to say that I’m not a murderer and no matter how loudly I say it; nobody wants to listen!
Saifullah
February 5th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
“The anniversary of the capture of the US Embassy is celebrated as a national holiday. ”
I had to go research this as I didn’t have any idea what you were talking about.
Iran is not Islam…. that’s the first thing.
The Iranian government is decidedly NOT an Islamic government, they have violated more Islamic laws in the last year alone than I can count.
Islamic law prohibits nationalism and tribalism… those two things are at the core of terrorism which is defined by most as “The act of or threat of violence in order to achieve social or political goals.” Adding religion to the mix just engulfs more people into the fire.
EVERY RELIGION ON EARTH has had terrorists from among its ranks. No one is spared from this taint.
Obviously violent people are going to stand out.. explosions catch more attention than humble prayer.
Lawrence Fisher
February 6th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Saifullah,
I do appreciate your point of view. And, I do agree it is unfair to judge all of Islam by the actions of violent subgroups.
I am not trying to justify or perpetuate prejudices or intolerances. Instead, I am suggesting that to change opinion one must work at least as hard, and, more likely, harder, than those that created that opinion in the first place. Even, if the issue doesn’t involve race and religion, this is true. This, too, may not seem fair, but that is the way it is. Please do not give up.
I look forward to learning more, and I will pursue truth as you suggest.
I wish you well.
Saifullah
February 6th, 2010 at 12:56 am
Lawrence, what part of the US are you in? I can direct you to an Islamic Center nearby where you can witness Muslim-Americans firsthand in daily practices.
If you want, I can even try to arrange a meeting with an Islamic leader in your area.
tammy swofford
February 6th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
There is a vibrant radical Islamic ideological front within America today. Saifullah sees the one side of the coin. I see the other. Having attended area mosque events and conferences, a dinner, I can attest that the hospitality is lovely in such settings. No doubt.
Problematic is the potentiation of the recruitment and radicalization process via the internet, much as each of us is using these same wonderful tools to discuss the issues at hand. The Somali Muslim community in America is currently taking one of the hardest hits in this regard.
It is not a race issue. Muslims come from all ethnic backgrounds. It is an ideological issue, and one of governance.
Tammy Swofford
Cathy Lane RPh
February 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Tantalizing it might seem to suggest racial profiling as an act of governance e.g. policy for US security clearance, the United States of America was founded on principles of freedom of worship, among others. Bringing up racial profiling as a national policy is what this post has been all about.
It might seem ludicrous to observe depth of this discussion attempts to discredit discrimination based on race in limiting freedoms of travel in the US and abroad, but it exists whether glaringly through ignorance or in more subtle ways. Racial profiling limits rights of US citizens. For example, the US justified interning those of Japanese ancestry, appearance, and surnames by claiming US endangerment as spies. More than 2/3 of those interned were American citizens and half were children. Families were split up and put in different camps. During the whole war only ten people were convicted of spying for Japan, and all were Caucasian. During WW2, Japanese ancestry was not equivalent to spying for Japan, and neither was there and equivalency established for sending all those of German and Italian ancestry to anti-nazism or anti-fascism camps in the US.
Religious adherents are protected under the Constitution in their worship so long as religious practices do not interfere with rights of others as Mr. Ginsburg in junior high government class use to say, “My freedom extends to the point where it impacts/impinges on your freedom.”
It seems there is still debate, but Islamism is first of all a religion. Nearly 21% of the world’s people presently express adherence to the Muslim religion; 33% of the world’s population are defined as Christian believers. [2005 http://www.adherents.com
Whether or not Christian adherents live a Christian lifestyle is debatable, and certainly not for any one individual to define. At the same time, it is abundantly clear in this discussion as Saifullah has repeatedly pointed out, a Muslim is not a terrorist. And, this is the basis of a tautological argument, as my DH, the mathematician points out; incontrovertible evidence—and no basis to the argument that adherents to a religion require members to participate in acts against humanity.
Adherence to Islamism as a world religion is not equivalent to terrorism.
As Nurse K. points out, we can see heart disease is the number one cause of death in our culture, and incidentally, obesity rates have been rising for some time, along with a diagnosis of DM2. We can decrease obesity rates. Obesity results mostly from behaviors that with adequate motivational incentives and availability of certain types of accessible alternatives in energy and exercise can be reversed, but damaging effects of DM2 results from continual assaults of exposure of high glucose levels to the inside of blood vessels. Presumably, lowering intimal exposure to high glucose concentrations decreases obesity as well as incidence of DM2, and by the way, also affects age of onset of heart disease.
As for national policies, and how governance relates to racial profiling; if people in power in the US define expectations based on race or what is commonly termed ‘racial profiling’ of travelers or travel between countries based as anyone that appears to be a Muslim, (among other factors such as living in the Middle-East, or having a certain ‘look’ or whose ‘name’ is suspected to be associated with national origin of terrorists) then the policy directly interferes with basic individual rights of US citizen adherents to the Islam religion.
Not withstanding, religious beliefs and adherence are often a subjective criterion at any moment in time. We citizens have every right to worship however we choose. Whereas, it is within the interest of national security if US policy targets objective and measurable factors e.g. amount of checked luggage, whether return tickets were purchased, and how paid, association with known terrorists, etc.
Saifullah
February 7th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
“Whereas, it is within the interest of national security if US policy targets objective and measurable factors e.g. amount of checked luggage, whether return tickets were purchased, and how paid, association with known terrorists, etc.”
That’s exactly how you differentiate discriminatory profiling with logical law enforcement.
I completely agree with your statement.
Andy
February 10th, 2010 at 8:37 am
have been following the blog for a while and although there are people far more qualified to comment on this topic than me i think its really good that you’ve raised this subject and created quite an interesting discussion from it
Andy
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Bo
February 11th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
You know, I wasn’t going to comment on this but then my conscience prevailed.
In 1997 I was in Damascus, Syria. My mother and I both worked for the American Embassy there. And then the citizens (hundreds) of that country stormed the Embassy. At the beginning of it, I happened to be standing in the annex, where the Embassy operated a language school, where I taught English to young Syrians. I was considered a “favorite” of the Syrian students.
Guess what happened at the beginning of the storming, when the mobs started gathering and throwing rocks at the Embassy— and I realized that my mother’s and my life were in danger?
My co-worker teachers, and many of my students (the ones who were Syrians, Egyptians, and other Arabic natives) began scorning me verbally, saying horrible things about Americans and our President, and one girl even went so far as to say: “I hope they DO get your mother!”
You could have knocked me over with a feather—because these were just young people with no particular participation in radical groups. They were “average citizens”, taught by their “average citizen” parents.
Do I think we need to racial profile? You betcha.
Sorry, but that’s my opinion. And I lived overseas all my life and have seen anti-Americanism in a front row seat. So I think I know what I’m talking about.
Bo
February 11th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Forgot to add in the above comment that the seige of the Embassy lasted 6 hours. The few Marines we had (5 or 6) used 121 cannisters of tear gas to protect the compound. At the last minute, when the mobs were about to breach the east end of the compound, and the Marines began handing out weapons to those of us who could shoot (so we all could attempt to protect the security of the United States of America, namely the information in the Embassy that is classified), the government of Syria sent in riot troops to protect us.
PTSD? You betcha.
Do I like Muslims anymore? Not on your life.
Cathy Lane RPh
February 11th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Bo, am sorry to hear of your trauma, and resolution remains elusive i.e. considering PTSD.
A simple explanation from Sociology 101 is ‘mob’ mentality or ‘groupthink’, very similar to the attitude of the majority who think because of their size, power, dominance, etc. that ‘might makes right’ in KKK vigilante sequence. The situation would probably have been similar had there been any other issue pitting a large crowd of demoralized native citizens against a powerful minority encaged in an embassy or other holding area. For example, had your folks been popular and friendly French teachers in the Embassy of France (just as an example–have no idea of there’s a French embassy in the Syrian capitol), and the madding crowd was hunting down and targeting the French in the area. In the nightmare you were engulfed you were the racially profiled. Not quite fair?
Saifullah
February 11th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Interesting that you acknowledge that the government of Syria sent riot troops to protect you and yet you fail to recognize that those men and the government officials that recognized the need to send them were also just as Muslim as the mob of people rioting.
You also fail to notice the social and political situation and narrowly focus your gaze on the religion and ethnicity of those rioting.
While I do not condone the actions of people who protest violently, I do understand why political or social issues can make people angry enough to do so.
Would you be willing to say that no non-Muslims have ever engaged in violent protest over a social or political issue?
Would you be willing to say that ONLY Muslims protest violently over a social or political issue?
Of course not… because that is illogical and irrational.
Let’s be logical and rational in our discussions.
I’m glad to hear that Allah delivered you safely from that situation.
The US Government has has a really bad run of miserable foreign policy for generations. In the wake of this we (as a nation) have left people oppressed, starving and economically crippled. This is the by-product of what we have done.
The anti-America sentiment in the world has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with what our government has done. What we, the people, can do is make sure we elect responsible leadership that will work to undo the chaos that we have created since the close of the Second World War.
Bo
February 11th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
And what you fail to realize, Saifullah, is that until the Muslim world produces what we Americans produce—people who are not afraid to argue with their leaders—they will continue to follow the anti-American hatred by ROTE, simply because they are taught to. And they never question their teachers. If you don’t believe me, just look into an Arabic elementary school. Nobody is encouraged to think for themselves. They are taught by ROTE. I taught English to Syrians in their 20′s and whenever I gave them an assignment to write about their “favorite vacation” or their “favorite holiday” they were TOTALLY CONFUSED. You had to tell them EXACTLY what to write. Their imaginations had never been stimulated; ergo, they grow up to follow their radical leaders like lambs to the slaughter.
Allah has nothing to do with it. It is the failure of the Muslim world to dig itself out of its enslavement to a small group of radical leaders, even cruel dictators. And even if they did, they can’t ever agree on anything amongst themselves and will engage in tribal warfare and civil war until Jesus comes back.
And trust me, Jesus WILL come back.
Saifullah
February 12th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Bo, what you fail to realize is that you are constantly making the same mistake that so many people make in this argument. That is, equating Islam and Muslims with the ethnicity of Arabs.
Arabs are the minority of Muslims worldwide, they only account for 20% or less of all Muslims in the world.
Please don’t drag race into this argument, it is completely irrelevant.
Of course Jesus will come back. As a believing Muslim I look forward to that time. The messianic age is described in the Qur’an. In face, Jesus (AS) is discussed more times in the Qur’an than any other Prophet. We love him.
Why don’t we focus on the things we have in common instead of making wild assumptions about one another and making accusations?
Bo
February 12th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Saifullah, allow me to be blunt. Frankly I couldn’t care less what you think. And I hope the American government does MORE racial profiling. Look what happened when they ignored Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan at Ft. Hood. So spare me your Koran crap.
Cathy Lane RPh
February 12th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Please, may I remind the bloggers…we are living in the United States.. of America. Generally, the religious adherents in this country express a belief in Christianity, nearly 75%, but almost every religious belief is represented by citizens of our dear country. This is the the united States of America. Our country was founded on freedom of religion, as a right for all citizens—as above posters of citizenship tests make their point.
Individual rights extend to the point of interfering with others’ rights, that is a tenet of how we can believe in freedom.
Posters that defend any other countries beliefs are only doing that. We are here in America. We have our freedoms for which we so firmly believe and defend; our government (us) representing us, as well as protecting and maintaining our freedoms, as the posters expressing their parents’ or relatives or their own involvement in the military only know too well the depth of sacrifice to maintain individual rights and freedoms. Along with freedom is responsibility.
However, the point is continually being made…there is no room in a civilized country ascribing to glorious and uplifting ideals of freedoms to discriminate and deny freedoms of any of the minorities. In the USA, Islamic, Buddhist, and for that matter, Jewish adherents are in the minority. No matter what reasons those in majority give, there is NO justification for racial profiling based on religious affiliation, appearance, name, and ancestry. That is the point of bringing up the unfair government policy of Japanese internment even amidst a war declared against Japan. That is the reason, over and over again Saifullah provides information about Muslim worship in the US (most of us in the majority are unfamiliar with the religious beliefs). On another tact, which might be more understandable to Pattie RN, I am a Catholic, in the minority in the US. Many people who are not Catholic are uninformed about Catholicism. Our brand of Christianity is a large segment of the Christian believers. About 25% of religious adherents in the US profess a Catholic belief. Despite that, we were considered a minority at one time when there were very, very few non-Christian believers, and the Protestant (non-Catholic believers in Christianity) were considered the majority. Our homes and businesses were targeted by the KKK (a symbolic group of racist Christians, the majority of sympathizers here in the mid-eastern cornfields). Even the US President from Missouri at the time was a card-carrying member of the KKK. When President Kennedy was elected as our leader, there was a significant movement to diss him because those who do not believe in the freedom of religion as part of our US Constitution tried to argue he he was going to answer to Rome for US policy and decision-making. But, we are the USA, and a Catholic could be president–someone in the minority. We live and work and enjoy the freedoms of citizenship in the USA. As healthcare workers (Nurse Ratched’s forum) we might have special insight on the emotional, physical, mental effects of promoting and upholding freedom of religious beliefs in our workplaces and our patients whom we serve.
Bo
February 12th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…….
(And I’m finished here—I made my point.)
Saifullah
February 12th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
“As healthcare workers (Nurse Ratched’s forum) we might have special insight on the emotional, physical, mental effects of promoting and upholding freedom of religious beliefs in our workplaces and our patients whom we serve.”
Getting to that point.
I work with people coming from other countries to migrate to the USA and work as nurses. One of the things I discuss in my seminars is the fact that the US is a diverse “stew” of people.
The USA is not a melting pot, for a melting pot would blend everything into a homogeneous mixture. Congressman Jackson once explained to me in Chicago that the concept of America as a “stew” is more apt.
Each ethnic or religious group provides something which enriches America but does not remove anything nor does it eliminate the uniqueness of that group.
When carrots, potatoes, meat, etc are added to the basic broth, they are flavored by the broth and add flavor back into it.
The constitution, Federalist Papers, Declaration of Independence and many other founding documents and prevailing laws are our broth in the American Stew. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi, Baha’i, and all the other “colors of Benetton” make up the components of the stew.
Each one unique, each one adding to the richness and fullness of the stew-pot of America.
As I have promoted in my seminars, this is what makes America unique and great in the world. This is something they must acclimate to and be sensitive to.
As health care professionals they have to learn to put aside personal concepts of who and what people are and embrace them on the level of patients. To learn to administer compassionate care regardless of ethnicity or religion.
This is why, I feel, Nurse Aiko Hamaguchi is such a significant symbol of the irreverence to America that ethnic or religious profiling creates. Because she is one trained to look beyond such things and simply provide care and administer healing to whomever needs it. Yet, she was violated by the very antithesis of her career philosophy.